Microsoft: Upgraded Motherboard = New Windows Licence
Microsoft recently made a change to the licence agreement saying that a new motherboard is equal to a new computer, hence you need to purchase a new Windows licence.
Here is what Microsoft has to say:
“An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a “new personal computer” to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required.”
The reason Microsoft gave for this term is that “Microsoft needed to have one base component “left standing” that would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains the CPU and is the “heart and soul” of the PC, when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially created.”
Microsoft sent a memo to its OEM partners asking them to enforce this new policy, every time they upgrade a computer for a client.
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February 15th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
that is bullsh*t
February 15th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
Microsoft is bullsh*t, even more of a reason to move to Linux/BSD hell try out OSX.
February 15th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
They are trully evil
February 15th, 2006 at 2:28 pm
Yeah this is insane. I work tech support and can’t even imagine how I have to break it to all my customers - that they have to drop $200 on a new OS.
February 15th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
Source?
February 15th, 2006 at 2:33 pm
Rot in HE double hockey sticks, Billy!
February 15th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
So buy the retail copy. This is only talking about OEM version. BIG DEAL!
February 15th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Given a choice of paying for it again or installing Linix, I know my choice … if true this is truly greed incarnated …
February 15th, 2006 at 2:38 pm
fuck microsoft
February 15th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
Oh ffs. Do they allow you “deactivate/uninstall” from the old mobo and then move your Windows license? Thought not. So if you retire the mobo (or PC as they’re thinking) you still need a new license?!?!?!
Poor.
February 15th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
Since when is this new? I’ve always understood it that Microsoft restricted the OEM version of windows to the original pc. Still sucks I suppose, but lets get real… how many people buy an oem pc with upgrading the motherboard in mind? Most of those are so integrated that you’re better off buying a new pc than upgrading the motherboard. The only people this really hurts are small shops and those who home build decent computers and buy oem versions of windows with a piece of hardware to save a few bucks.
February 15th, 2006 at 2:40 pm
wow, I think that’s twice the price of a brand new retail copy of OSX.
February 15th, 2006 at 2:42 pm
That’s okay. My buccaneers and I have some sobering news for Micro$oft
February 15th, 2006 at 2:47 pm
OEM Retail Copy… If you’re using an OEM version of XP or any MS OS for that matter, than you deserve to pay again, because you’re a moron to begin with. Buy a retail version, and you can install it on anything you want. Every PC I come accross with an OEM OS on it ends up being a pile due to all the preloaded garbage on there, which ends up in a fresh install anyway.
February 15th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
I encountered this same B$hit at the end of December when I upgraded a Celeron 2 to an AMD Newcastle. I had over time changed out the case, added new hard drives, opticals etc - so all I wanted was the faster board (and mmory). M$ screwed me on this deal and the OEM license was already set up this way. I had to buy a new XP-Pro (though I was ableto buy an academia upgrade bundle for about $80). Fortunately my old MB etc are still usable so I rebuilt the old pc in its orignal case and the xp install worked fine - it’s currently working as a 5th pc in the house for whatever I want to use it for ( movie playing client running VLC, mp3 player running winamp, guest pc for whatever or just a sandbox).
MJ
February 15th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
Notice unless a motherboard is defective,
Also to consider the processor as part of the motherboard is ridiculous.
I replace my motherboard twice with the same processor, not other machine were created I was still using the same hard drive and os build.
February 15th, 2006 at 2:49 pm
FUCKING LAME!!
February 15th, 2006 at 2:50 pm
if OSx86 were available & supported for non-mac hardware, i’d switch today.
February 15th, 2006 at 2:51 pm
Time for Linux…..
February 15th, 2006 at 2:53 pm
Linux, baby, LINUX!!!
February 15th, 2006 at 2:54 pm
As if Gates wasn’t rich enough already, and I wonder if he had gamers in mind when he appointed someone to make this bulls**t decision… considering how many upgrades are done constantly because of change?????
February 15th, 2006 at 2:54 pm
Guess Billy is having trouble making the payments on the estate. You need to buy a new computer OEM to get the Vista eye candy but you can not use it if you decide to change motherboards. I think it is great — less MS installations
February 15th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
I bought an OS, I should be able to use it any hardware i want as long as I don’t use it multiple times at once.. this takes “fair use” and flushes it down the toilet.
Is it true?
February 15th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
Screw You MS.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
This exact crap happened to me 2 weeks ago. I had to buy a new OEM copy of windows Xp. $97 worth of bullshiat.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
We need to start a petition to Apple that they LEGALIZE Mac OS X for standard x86 hardware.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
fuck microsoft…..its all about the nigger pussy baby
February 15th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
Could someone post a link to Microsoft’s site that states this change? How do we know this isn’t just MS bashing?
February 15th, 2006 at 3:13 pm
Excuse me satan, I did not find that humorous in the least amount. If you could please refrain from using racist comments about blacks it would be much appreciated on behalf of the Jewish community. We are the people who started your revolution and hero, Dr. Martin Luther King. I’ll be heading to court now, I have a whole list of people I need to sue. DON’T EVER FORGET THE HOLOCAUST!
February 15th, 2006 at 3:20 pm
Sounds good to me. Now, lets see, one license for each core in each chip. Then, one license for each MOBO. Billy can really stick it to everyone, can’t he. It is only a matter of time before Apple releases the OS X on M$FT. M$FT continues to try to hold Office over Apple’s head but even corporate america is getting wise to that. Not everyone needs to do page layout when writing a letter is your job. So, it should be very interesting futrue for Apple.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
The OEM version of Windows is probably the easiest version to pirate so it was in their best interest to change some rules.
I myself will buy Vista when it comes out but I’m not sure which verison. I heard there are going to be a ton of versions coming out which is sad. I just am hoping not to pay 500 dollars for the OS. Thankfully each OS lasts for about 5 years.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
This is why people have illegal copies!!
February 15th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
It means you have to re-activate you moron.
That’s a detected change because it’s almost like putting your copy of windows on a new machine.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PURCHASE ANOTHER COPY. Just re-activate.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
If this is true, then thats absolute bullsh*t.
Oh and HebrewHammer, I don’t agree with what satan said, but you can lick my nuts
February 15th, 2006 at 3:26 pm
ha! bless ‘em for trying. The greedy little basts
February 15th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
Complete B.S. - If I buy a computer from an O.E.M. manufacturer with the expectation that I will be able to upgrade the motherboard when I see fit, and then Microsoft decides to change the rules halfway through the game…thats unlawful. It is a bait and switch. Sue the bastards under Consumer Protection Laws. Add this nonsense to the trusted computing shit Microsoft is doing, and I might migrate to Linux permenently.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
If you dont like it, install Linux.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:36 pm
FUCK MICROSOFT! why pay for shit, when you can get something that works, does not get virus,spyware,etc, for free???!!!! how stupid can you be.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:36 pm
This posting was not properly researched and should be removed before it alarms any more people. When I saw this going around as new news I nearly pissed myself laughing. This IS old news. I don’t know what you people think has changed.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:42 pm
I thought with an oem license you could change components within 30days. If something messed up in 30 days like the motherboard you had to buy another copy of windows. This is exactly what I did when my sister motherboard and cpu got fried… I changed those compenents and purchased another oem license.
I purchased a retail copy of WINXP 32bit ($250) because the licensing terms were a little looser. I also have a computer with oem license. Prior to using the retail copy I was using an single seat academic license. The issue I had with the academic cd is that it will not allow slipstreaming.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
This has got to be false and rumorfied.
A mobo is in no way a new computer, merely
a part in a computer. Duh. If this is true, just
more reason for pirates.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
All I can say is do not buy an OEM license. OEM licenses are not equivalent to retail licenses.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
If MS would update their OS more frequently, they wouldn’t be doing this. They can’t have it both ways–they give special OEM pricing to get marketshare, then they tell people that it’s bound to the computer. Megalame. And sad. This probably means Vista won’t ship ’till 2009.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
Guys, what the hell? Are you all 12 years old or something?
Enough with the swearing, name calling, and newbie crap. You sound like a bunch of children.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
The solution couldn’t be more obvious. If you want to upgrade your logic board, you also need to pirate a copy of Windows. It’s as simple as that. I’ve never been an advocate for piracy, but if I ever got a lobotomy and started running Windows, there’s just no way to justify the expense of buying a second license for the same machine. Microsoft deserves the increase in piracy this policy is sure to cause.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:47 pm
I’m running GNU/Linux on this laptop, and reading this article makes me remember two of the reasons why I switched:
1) Linux is free
2) Linux is not backed by a greedy company
LINUX ROCKS!! Hell yeah!
February 15th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
One of many links on the Micro$oft stating this policy.
http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc
February 15th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
It’s lucky Billy Gates isn’t in the hardware business. We’d all have to buy a new machine every time he released a patch for his buggy OS!
February 15th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
Sorry, but to the guy who said this - you have no business offering any kind of advise on this topic.
A Microsoft OEM installation is 99% identical to a retail version. You are confused, and think the preloaded software is comming from Microsoft when it is not. Third parties load on the junk, and sell it with their systems. You cannot sell these versions in the way you can sell an OEM version (Microsoft COA, install disk & get started guide). You can only load those versions onto you’re OEM manufactured machines.
Quite simply, an OEM license is for people who assemble thier own machines, or buy from smaller outfits assembling machines. It requires a hardware purchase with the license that is supposed to be tied to the license (IE: buy license, and video card. Upgrade video card, upgrade license). Microsoft has no way to enforce it, and no stipulations on what kinds of internal hardware can be sold, and want to ammend the situation.
“OEM Retail Copy… If you’re using an OEM version of XP or any MS OS for that matter, than you deserve to pay again, because you’re a moron to begin with. Buy a retail version, and you can install it on anything you want. Every PC I come accross with an OEM OS on it ends up being a pile due to all the preloaded garbage on there, which ends up in a fresh install anyway.”
February 15th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
I ask the same question again, where is the source for this story? It seems that microsoft is denying it. Come on aviransplace, come clean now.
February 15th, 2006 at 3:57 pm
DONT USE OSX because the OS SUX.
Macs are overpriced computers for stupid people that can’t handle more than 1 program open. Mac hardware is just a melted ball of plastic with the motherboard, etc. squeezed together, pernamently sealed with plastic. Mac users probably do not know that you can open a computer up and upgrade it, and like to see oversized trashcans bouncing up and down on the bottom of the screen. Mac computers make a burping sound when you eject a disk. They are totally outfit for business use. Thats what IBM is for: international BUSINESS machines, not Apple Mac OSX: operating system SUX (SUCKS).
February 15th, 2006 at 4:00 pm
This is really lame, It seems to me working with pcs for years that the oem pos computers are the ones that we replace the most motherboards in, I would say a dell mobo has a life of what 2 years at most. If this ever comes to self built pcs or the retail os then im done with bill and his crap.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
O yea did i mention this is lame. And bill you have enough damn money give a little back your lame ass scroodge
February 15th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Calm down all linux nerds. Seruisly, I’m glad your not mainstream, but I’ve heard enough. Congratulations, you’re special.
This article was made to get attention to this crappy little website. It happens all the time.
And isn’t this already in place? How is this news?
February 15th, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Boris, you’re an idiot. When was the last time you touched a Mac? 1984?
If that’s your argument, then I counter with “PC’s SUX, because DOS is so freakin’ stupid.”
February 15th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
OMG I H8 M$ THY SCUK A FAT DIkZ. ERY1 SHOLD CHANGE TO LINUX CUZ ITS AWESOMES1!1OMGLAZERGUNSPEWPEW!!!
ALL M$ ARE MY VICTUMS CUZ I = ULTIMATE HAX ZOMGLCOPTERS
Oh…. hang on. I’m using XP right now. Don’t use Windows if you don’t want/like it. Tards. Do not down what other people use, though. Some of us happen to like it.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:09 pm
[quote]# Boris Says:
February 15th, 2006 at 3:57 pm
DONT USE OSX because the OS SUX.
Macs are overpriced computers for stupid people that can’t handle more than 1 program open. Mac hardware is just a melted ball of plastic with the motherboard, etc. squeezed together, pernamently sealed with plastic. Mac users probably do not know that you can open a computer up and upgrade it, and like to see oversized trashcans bouncing up and down on the bottom of the screen. Mac computers make a burping sound when you eject a disk. They are totally outfit for business use. Thats what IBM is for: international BUSINESS machines, not Apple Mac OSX: operating system SUX (SUCKS).
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You may just be the most retarded individual alive, other than Bill Gates. OS X does not suck. It is based on Unix, how can that be bad. Also all things that you have argued here against OS X hold no merit as ALL of them are OPTIONS that you can disable. Your ignorance in this matter is only made more pungent by your inability to understand that which scares you.
I’m done.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:11 pm
Wow, this entire thread is full of fucking idiots.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Blah blah blah.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:13 pm
Fuck you Microcrap. Even the lazy slugs who won’t learn something new will after anally rape them.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
Heh, Blackbeard iz funnie.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:21 pm
To quote the Microsoft FAQ for Education Licenses:
11. Rather than purchase completely new PCs, my organization performs in-place upgrades to the hardware on many of our computers. We often times only replace the motherboard, processor, and memory. Since the COA is still on the case and the OS is still installed on the hard drive, this computer is still licensed, right?
ANSWER. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your computer and maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a “new personal computer.” Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from one computer to another. Therefore, if the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer has been created, the original license expires, and a new full operating system license (not upgrade) is required. This is true even if the computer is covered under Software Assurance or other Volume License programs.
Read the whole thing here:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc
February 15th, 2006 at 4:22 pm
I read the article, and I’m mad. I read the comments, and I lol’d
follow the herd is absolutly right, it’s comical how stupid 98% of the comments are..
February 15th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Just tellem its defective.
Problem solved.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
“If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect” surely you could just smash the old motherboard up, then you’d be covered! No worries at all!
February 15th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Alot of you are being, well, juvenile.
I use linux. I prefer not to be stuck to the whims of an “evil” corporation that can tell you what you can/can’t do with the product that you purchased. I believe the “free software” mantra. And I also rather enjoy using Unix over Windows. I understand that companies like Microsoft, need to generate revenue. If I purchase a single license of Windows, I should be able to do with it as I please. If I want to install it on another computer, under the basis that I don’t have the same license running on another PC; that should be fine. Sadly, with Microsoft, it’s not. I don’t care if it’s retail or it’s OEM. It’s all the same underlying OS. Same windows kernel. Windows XP is Windows XP. Retail or OEM.
I bought the license. It’s mine. I should be able to move the license or sell it, as I please.
If there was something similiar to this in the automobile world, people would not stand for it.
For example, let’s say that the government mandates the tax on your car (with car being defined as the engine). Now, image that the automobile industry moves at the speed of the computer world. Meaning, that new engines are being “released” all the time. Each couple of months there are new strides. The one you have now gets 20 miles per gallon. A new one gets 40 miles per gallon, and makes your car faster, and run smoother. But, if you replace the engine, you’d have a “new” car. And you’d have to pay tax on that new car. By insurance rights, you have two “cars” Insurance on new cars? Or how about when you buy a used car, it legaly has to have no engine. Sounds silly? And so does this whole Windows license fiasco.
And to all thats wondering, here’s your link to microsoft:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc
February 15th, 2006 at 4:47 pm
OEM licenses have always been treated differently. I have always understood that you cannot use an OEM license on another machine, so what’s the big deal.
Some might say - OEM or Retail, what’s the difference? The difference is price. If a retail license costs $199 and an OEM license costs $60, you have to understand the OEM license is more restrictive.
Think of it like an airline seat. At $199 (economy), you cannot change your ticket. If you miss your flight, you’re out $199. But at $1500 (full fare), you can miss your flight and reschedule. You can change your time at the last minute. Full fare seats are exactly the same as economy seats in every way, except for the rights you have to make changes.
Same with OEM vs. Retail software.
Heck, most OEM computers (like Dell or HP) don’t come with a separate Windows CD’s anymore. Just a piece of paper saying you have a license.
Cheaper licenses of the same thing are usually always more restrictive. Live with it.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:53 pm
@Lilricky: This post has the quotes from Microsoft itself. Unfortunately I can not link to the source since it was published on the Microsoft system builders web site which is a closed site and not freely available to everyone, only to registered MS System builders.
However if you read Cecil’s comment (62) you’ll see that this is MS policy.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:53 pm
Hell, I have used Linux as my desktop exclusively for the last 3 years now, and honestly, this isn’t as big of a deal as everyone is trying to make it out to be. I did switch because Microsoft really pissed me off during a server upgrade (lawl i used to use w2k3 server and iis im a n00b), but you buy windows as part of the computer when you buy Windows with an OEM copy of Windows on it. The defect clause makes this more valid also, not really as big of a deal as people are trying to make it out to be. You don’t own Windows (even if you buy the retail copy), but this is extended much further for OEM copies. You pay for windows as a part of your computer when you use OEM copies. Don’t like it? Switch to Linux or buy a retail copy of Windows. Most computers come with OEM copies of Windows when you buy from a retailer like Dell or Compaq, THEY own the rights to your OEM copy. however, crying about it isn’t going to do anything. Plus, if you let Microsoft keep going in this direction, it will destroy itself, which is fine in my opinion.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:54 pm
Hahaha .. I think this is a win for the ‘linux on the desktop’ movement. The OS cost associated with upgrading desktop computers will force maybe small businesses to look for alternate OSes immediately.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:54 pm
thats just as much bull as the RIAA i hate corporations! but oo no i need to replace my mother board i need to buy a new lisence now… or i could just use my old one any way what is wrong with people …oh yea were all greedy lil sons of bitches (or rich people are at least) can never have enough
February 15th, 2006 at 4:54 pm
More power to them. They have the ability to sell their product and make money off of it. Anyone who does not like this should use Linux or OSX because these days there are alternatives, contrary to what some people might say. People are just scared to learn a new OS. So shame on the people who keep spending their money on a product they think is bad. By the way, if you like throwing your money away, send a little my way. Im sure Bill would not mind.
February 15th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
I know 2 wrongs dont make a right, but by doing this MANY more people are going to feel fully justified in just running a pirated copy of Windows rather than pay twice for something.
February 15th, 2006 at 5:02 pm
Relax! Every time you upgrade your mobo - it’s because the old one was DEFECTIVE….no biggie.
February 15th, 2006 at 5:05 pm
So basically, I have to pirate Vista if I ever want to upgrade my computer.
Good thinking, Microsoft.
Dumbass.
February 15th, 2006 at 5:20 pm
Then they wonder why people hack software and dont pay at all?
Dum dee dum dee dum
February 15th, 2006 at 5:22 pm
This is why I still use Windows 98se. When I upgrade my computer or build a new one to replace it, I just install Windows 98 on it. I don’t need to go to Microsoft and beg for a bunch of numbers. Plus, Windows 98 runs the same software on the same machine at 10 times the speed of Windows XP and is much more tolerant of older programs. I am using a Sempron 3400+ on an Asrock motherboard with 512 DDR. I have USB2 and a SATA 160gig hard drive. The machine runs like lightning, and there are very few programs or games I am interested in that won’t work with 98, so I just get the ones that do.
I have added a dual boot with Xandros, which is a windows-user friendly version of Linux. I now do all my web browsing and email using the Linux side of the machine, and expect to move more of my actual work to Linux as I get used to the different programs that all Linux installations come with. I will not buy XP or any newer version of Windows, unless they abandon their nazi attitudes and controls and issue apologies. Whenever hardware manufacturers stop supporting Windows 98 I will be ready to switch to the Linux world, and the Linux world will be ready for normal users who are not programmers. Xandros is a great step in this direction. It is not free like many of the others ($85 street) but it does have customer support and a monetary incentive to improve at a faster pace.
As Linux keeps getting more user friendly, and Microsoft continues ever more rapidly to get even less user friendly, there is no question that it is time for the market to stop giving Microsoft free reign to do whatever it pleases by always buying its products. Even if you use Microsoft, make it clear to everyone you buy hardware from that you are wanting to see them continue support for Windows 98 and to increase support for Linux. This is the only leverage we have against the Monopolysoft stormtroopers.
Thanks to those who contribute in a civilized way to forums like this - the monopolies rely on our ignorance and this helps to lessen it some.
February 15th, 2006 at 5:23 pm
I think the HD would be more appropriate, since it CONTAINS the installed OS. LOL no way i’m gonna buy a new license when I upgrade my PC. But carefull guys when buying a motherboard, don’t get one with the damn TPM chips, because them MS will be able to tell if you used your key on a different PC, also, from now on, when activatiing an install of windows, MS WILL be checking your hard ware and confirming that the motherboard is the same as it was on a previeous install if there was one.
February 15th, 2006 at 5:28 pm
And Uncle bill wonders why people share his software for free!!!!!
At $200 for xp pro when it was launched and if i change my motherboard i need to pay uncle bill again *cough cough* NO WAY
“Hacking and file sharing are more than just crimes! they are survival traits!”
February 15th, 2006 at 5:31 pm
These comments are just classic.
We have the linux team suggesting everyone install Linux instead of Windows for everyone - Sure linux is great, but I don’t think I would recommend anything other than windows for my mum and dad, just because it’s the standard.
And then there is the people that are surprised by this “new” rule. If anyone has ever read an OEM agreement, you would have known how harsh it is. The “license bound to hardware” clause is not new, and I recall asking what constituted “hardware” years ago and getting a fairly vague answer from them. At least now we know what “hardware” is defined as
Simply put, White box PC makers use OEM because it’s half the price of retail. When they are competing with HP and Dell, they can’t afford to use retail even if they know it’s not good value for the customer in the long term. Especially considering white box PCs are often good for a couple of major upgrades over their lifetime whereas the proprietary branded computers are ok for amall upgrades such as memory and hard drive.
All in all, you can’t win. The OEM copy is reasonably priced but the license is not practical for people who like to upgrade. The retail copy is too expensive. And piracy is illegal. Sometimes I wish Microsoft would come up with licenses that were appropriate for the real world, and maybe people would be less inclined to pirate their software.
February 15th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
When was the last time any of you dickheads actually replaced your motherboard? For most of you whiners and whingers, it’s *never*, which makes all your whining and moaning completely irrelevant.
It’s a few bucks, you tight arsed fucktards. Big deal! “Use Linux’ you moan in your impotent fury. Yeah right! When I can plug my video camera/digital camera/mp3 player/scanner/printer into Linux, and have it just work, then right on. Till then, shut up you fucking nerds. Just shut the fuck up.
February 15th, 2006 at 5:44 pm
I need to run Photoshop CS2 to make a living. What can Linux do for me today? Gimp is NOT equivalent. Apple upgrade needs $600+ for Mac version license. At least Adobe lets you deactivate your license if you want to move to a new machine!
February 15th, 2006 at 5:48 pm
How childish. It is easy to tell who the amatures are. This license has been in place since XP was released. Are you guys just now getting around to reading the EULA? Where is the story in this?
Have you heard much about this being a problem before? I think NOT! It would have hit the press LONG before this. If it has not been an issue since XP’s release, then why is it an issue now?
How many of you are running bootleg software of some sort on your computers? A lot! You are the ones to blame for this every being part of the EULA.
Oh, one more thing. The reason why you don’t see this with Apple is because they are not as easily upgraded like PCs are. Evertime you want a new Apple it comes with the OS installed and is included in the price of the new computer. Duh, see the similarity?
Darn, I can’t get over how dumb this tread really is.
February 15th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
# dummy Says:
February 15th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
So buy the retail copy. This is only talking about OEM version. BIG DEAL!
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You can’t buy a computer without it having Windows preinstalled unless you build the computer yourself. I doubt the average home user would be able or willing to do that. They take the preinstalled OEM version that came with the computer. They paid for that license so why shouldn’t they be able to transfer that license to any computer they want?
MS is truly evil.
February 15th, 2006 at 6:48 pm
So just get your OS from the MSDN subscription at work…
Sheesh, it’s not like Winders costs anything to begin with.
February 15th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
“I love It” What MS do not understand is the more they rip off the user then the more rebellious people become. Hackers feel more comfortable ripping off the giant. This is great news as it means when i search for a MS crack or patch i’ll find one. Keep up the good work MS
February 15th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
Well, MS is doing this to keep their revenue inline with their expectation.
They’re already making enough money and eventually the market is going to saturate (like Dell)
So how do they boost their bottom line? by opening more avenues for $$
1. Restrict the amount of installation per software (like this post is about).
2. Implement annual licenses for software (forcing people to pay per period)
3. Implement pay per use (constant revenue)
Eventually this will backfire, I don’t know how long, but it will get them.
February 15th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
THis is why all my copies of XP are still in there shrink wrap in my desk drawer. I have 3 machines that run XP Pro Corporate and in my drawer are 3 Shrinkwrapped copies of XP PRO and also my license for XP HOME that I dont use but I keep it anyway (MY laptop one of my 3 machines came with home)
I do not recognize activation or hardware locking as legal. I do not recognize there right to dictate how I use my software and how Often I change machines and I never will. it is not there right. period.
If I can not “bypass” software features to avoid activation or hardware locking I simply elect not to purchase it. period.
I will never honor activation or hardware locking I consider illegal and no lawyer law or corporate critter will ever change my mind.
I also plan to do everything in my power to MAKE THIS law.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
February 15th, 2006 at 7:19 pm
So what if I buy my OEM copy of windows with a hard drive, DVD burner, or other piece of hardware? That’s what it should be “attached” to.
February 15th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
Why are you tards running XP in the first place? If you simply -must- runs windows, 2k is still where it’s at.
February 15th, 2006 at 7:31 pm
“I also plan to do everything in my power to MAKE THIS law.”
Haha, you arrogant shit. As if you could make any difference!
February 15th, 2006 at 7:56 pm
i can just “borrow” the a “new” copy from my friend, my friend called limewire pro who i also “borrowed” lol yea but then two wongs dont make it right , but it does make one hell of an excuse
February 15th, 2006 at 9:59 pm
Frankly I dont like the microsoft business practices and for that I have migrated slowly but surely to GNU/Linux. Don’t like microsoft? DON’T USE IT and get over yourself. If you USE microsoft then stop bashing them. I don’t use them because I dont belive in their business practices but I am not gonna sit here with stupid comments about f-this and sh-that…just get over it and live your own lives…yeesh
February 15th, 2006 at 10:06 pm
just do not be a cheap fuck head and buy the retail version. you should get fucked for buying the OEM. As your computer probably is no longer original equipment. get it OEM?
February 15th, 2006 at 10:30 pm
So sad “steal this, borrow that, ” If all the thieves and borrowers out there would just pay for the things they get it would cost allot less for just about every thing.
All this did was set a standard by which MS can control there product.
No diffrent than any other product out there.
Last thing, only people i see doing the bitching are the ones who do the stealing and the borrowing to begin with. For you out there doing this. Just remember Karma does exsist and will collect its due.
It the mean time let the business man out there keep practacing his business. No matter how successfull that busness man is.
On a side note which one of you who are stealing software gave away 30% of you net income for one year, In the same year you LOST 30% of your net worth.
February 15th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
No problem, I’ll just warez it like I’ve done with Win 3.1, 95, 98, Me, XP, and soon, Vista. Never have paid for windows, never will.
February 15th, 2006 at 11:42 pm
Anyone who has bought a OEM licence to a MS product knows about this it is nothing new. It is still B.S. I bought my OEM licensed software with a screw. It should be tied to that screw nothing else. When I retire my current machine XP will move with me and I will reactivate it because the old motherboard died (when it hit the trash can) so I replaced it. Simple solution to the problem.
To the Linux people. Yeah switching to Linux would be the best solution but honestly nothing I need to run will run under Linux so until those apps move to it I can’t move to it either. I already use linux for my mythbox and can easily set up one for a firewall but other than that I can’t do anything else with linux. This little OEM licensing issue will only convert a few people at best to linux, but overall it won’t make any significant gains. People will either buy a new copy of XP or they will install the pirated version. That is really the bottom line.
My biggest objection to the activation BS is when MS stops support for XP. What happens then? They could EASILY just say we will no longer allow XP activations and FORCE everyone to upgrade to whatever version of Windows is out there.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:00 am
This is why I steal windows
February 16th, 2006 at 12:02 am
This will just spark more piracies cause of BS like this.
Mark
http://free-playstation-3.blogspot.com
February 16th, 2006 at 12:05 am
Mmmmmmmm… 64 slices of who fucking cares.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:23 am
First of all, I am both a Windows and Linux user.
I really hate fanatics who think Linux is the $hit and same goes for Windows only users.
Both systems have their cons and pros.
I like both systems for various reason. I believe desktop only user have no idea when they’re bashing one or the other. Systems are not only about interfaces; there are both great microsoft and linux server programs out there.
If someone is happy spending hours or days setting up and tweaking their linux desktop to their liking or just to get the same functionality they get from windows right out of the box so be it. If someone prefers Linux for it’s security, stability and yes even simplicity to “configure once”, leave running stable for years without having to reboot even after applying security patches, so be it.
I like both systems and they all have a lot to offer. I enjoy learning about computers and it’s always good to have alternatives to widen your perspective, or do things that would not be possible if you’d have to stick just with one system. Also open source community drives a lot of positive change in commercial software.
As far as licenses go, choose what is right for you. Don’t expect OEM to be equal to retail version. Microsoft owns the system, you just buy a license for it. Their licensing policies may be questionable maybe even unfair, but there’s not a whole lot you can do about it. If you don’t like the OEM agreement, go retail or install whatever other system you want.
And please don’t say all software should be free. It takes resources to write software both for either hobby or living.
So, all you lamers advocating Linux and knowing maybe 10% of what both Windows and Linux systems are capable of, stop bashing because it is lamers like you that are hurting the Linux community the most.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:52 am
Why is it that so many of the anti-MS crowd are still running Windows? If you don’t like it, change!
I mean, I too think the rule is bullshit, but unless you’re prepared to pay for the retail version, I’m afraid it may be necessary to suck it up and pay
By the way, with my current CPU, I’m on my third motherboard, all different, but when I got this one, I formatted, and now run Linux-only, and am seriously considering my next computer to be a Mac.
I won’t run a pirate version of Windows anymore, because it’s impossible to update it, and naturally, that’s a security problem waiting to happen.
February 16th, 2006 at 1:19 am
All you have to do is take a saw and make a very small cut on to the edge of your old motherboard where there are no circuits running. The result is a “defective motherboard” that gets replaced with a new one. The old motherboard may still be in working order, but still contains a physical defect. I guess Microsoft isn’t as smart as they’d like to think.
Merriam-Webster agrees. From Merriam-Webster online, a defect is an imperfection that impairs worth or utility. Granted utility may not be impaired, but I certainly would not pay the same amount for a motherboard with a cut in it as I would for one with no cut. Hell, even opening the box and removing the motherboard impairs worth. Open box items do not and will not sell for the same price as ones in the original sealed box. Therefore, opening the box causes the motherboard to become defective.
Does the old motherboard have to be in use or just installed in the computer? I could certainly install two motherboards inside a computer case. Only one would be funtioning, the new one.
You want to play dirty Microsoft? Then, let’s play dirty! You can dish it up, but can you handle it when it comes flying back?
What’s the next step? You press your computers power button and all of the sudden a voice states, “You have chosen to boot Microsoft Windows. Please swipe your credit card to continue.”
February 16th, 2006 at 2:35 am
And if this is true ill be very happy, ive been wanting to learn how to use linux….and this will definately push me over the edge to pursue that wish and derail my procrastination to. Microsoft, youll be of your own demise.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:02 am
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February 16th, 2006 at 3:28 am
Anyone who upgrades to Linux for no other reason than to spite MS is an idiot, and a ignorant one at that; MS can couldn’t care less. They care about companies who switch to Linux to use for generic file servers and custom in-house apps written in Linux to avoid MS licensing. That’s what’s shaving off the low-end server sales of Windows 2003 from they’re bottom line; not the whiny babies who would rather play Suse solitare than Need for Speed - Most Wanted because they think they’re hurting evil Bill Gates. Get real folks. Linux is only free if your time is worthless. All sizable companies will behave as unethically as allowed by law when it goes aginst profits. That includes MS, RedHat, and Google.
February 16th, 2006 at 3:48 am
#104: I agree with you totally :] I like Linux AND windows, for different purposes of course, but when it comes to making a choice i’ll definitely go for windows.
February 16th, 2006 at 4:21 am
Well then i want my money back.
February 16th, 2006 at 4:22 am
I will hand in my windows95 and want my 200 bucks back
February 16th, 2006 at 4:31 am
I think I know why… they are losing money so they need every excuse to get money out of the user… lol maybe if they didnt make Vista the o/s for retarts they would make more money than xp… but i dont think so!
February 16th, 2006 at 5:54 am
Another stupid idea from microsoft…. no other software company would pull this money grabbing pathetic bullshit. I hope they realise they are feeding the pirates and warez junkies….. I mean really why does Bill Gates need anymore money… unless he is planning to build Microsoft head quarters on Mars, stoopid twits….
February 16th, 2006 at 5:54 am
You imbeciles need to learn to read.
This articles refers to OEM licenses.
Previously to qualify for an OEM version of Windows you needed to buy a hardware component from a list of specific components, ie HDD, Memory, Motherboard etc.
What appears to have changed is that if you replace the component that qualified for the OEM license, you will need to buy a new license.
This makes perfect sense to me.
I think you guys have confused OEM licensing with Windows Activation which are completely different things!!!
February 16th, 2006 at 6:03 am
So is spilling Coffee all over my mother board or jumping up and down on it classed as a defect.?????????????
Problem solved.
February 16th, 2006 at 6:26 am
Hmmm, I think this hurts enthusiasts the most. (Those that upgrade mobos on a regular basis, and tried to save money by getting the OEM license).
Yeah, Linux or even BSD is an option, and I use it as well. But its highly dependent on how you use your PC. If you’re a frequent gamer of the most current games, then the few options you have may or may not work. (So you may end up dual-booting). Although one should seek equivalent alternatives, try WINE, then Cedega (if its a game) first.
I have no problems running my favorite “Command and Conquer” games on a Linux box, or play the Linux ports of America’s Army, and Doom III. (Half Life 2 and BattleField 2 works, with minor issues, using the Windows-DirectX emulation layer called Cedega)…You can use the CVS version for free. (But you gotta put some work into it when you set it up, otherwise, buy the commercial version)
I went with Linux because it offered me more than what Windows does. The flexibility. (and I enjoy helping newbies with it)…I also wasn’t able to afford licenses anymore (multiple machines at home).
I do however, find this unsurprising from Microsoft. They have made various attempts to “encourage” people to upgrade to the upcoming Vista. This is all about trying to earn money from any segment that money can be extracted from….That’s all.
I guess “desperate times call for desperate measures”. MS is gonna be finding it harder and harder to give reasons for people to upgrade to Vista.
February 16th, 2006 at 7:22 am
As a few of the more rational people have said, this only applies to OEM licenses, which won’t be a problem for me since: 1. the computer I’m using which has an OEM version of WinXP Home is a Notebook PC (and changing its motherboard is simply out of the question, other than for major repairs) and 2. I got the Retail/FPP version of WinXP Pro for my self-built desktop PC (which has gone through at least 3 motherboard changes and 2 CPU changes since that OS’s first installation and activation).
February 16th, 2006 at 7:26 am
i want my money back
February 16th, 2006 at 7:31 am
Easy, drill a hole in the board to make it defective.
February 16th, 2006 at 7:50 am
huh? I don’t get it… I thought you can just download Windows for free from emule and other sites, why pay for it?
February 16th, 2006 at 7:55 am
There is another problem that apparently Microsoft never thought of. What if the motherboard that is in your computer is not made anymore, and therefore you HAVE to buy a new motherboard, that is different from your first one?
I had that problem when my EMachines computer’s motherboard died. EMachines no longer sold or stocked the motherboard for that model of computer, so they had to wheel and deal with a ‘rare parts’ dealer in order to get me a new motherboard, that would work with the drivers in my computer.
This is going to become MUCH more common, since motherboard and ALL parts of computers are become obsolete so fast now.
Even if it is an OEM copy, Microsoft should have an exemption where you call them, swear an affadavit that you are only using the OEM copy on one computer, and let you go from there.
Motherboard replacement does NOT make a new computer, a new computer is one that is built totally from scratch, new motherboard, hard drives, CD/DVD Drives, Case, everything.
Yet they should still let you call them up and say “I want to use my OEM copy on this computer” and get their permission to do so, period and done with, as long as you swear that you are only using it on one computer.
February 16th, 2006 at 8:17 am
Era só oq faltava…
February 16th, 2006 at 8:32 am
All you need is a screwdriver to fix this problem. Just start taking parts off your motherboard…. oh no! It’s now “defective” I need to replace it!
February 16th, 2006 at 8:44 am
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11. Rather than purchase completely new PCs, my organization performs in-place upgrades to the hardware on many of our computers. We often times only replace the motherboard, processor, and memory. Since the COA is still on the case and the OS is still installed on the hard drive, this computer is still licensed, right?
ANSWER. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your computer and maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a “new personal computer.� Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from one computer to another. Therefore, if the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer has been created, the original license expires, and a new full operating system license (not upgrade) is required. This is true even if the computer is covered under Software Assurance or other Volume License programs.
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Hmmm… What if I were to install an OEM copy of WinXP on, say, a USB Thumbstick, and then plug THAT into computer #1, boot it up, do some work, shut it down, then plug it into computer #2 and boot it up? Have I just breached the license? How will M$ handle this little pickle, I wonder!
February 16th, 2006 at 9:38 am
hmm i think i could make my motherboard defective really quick with my freaking hammer… would this count? lol
February 16th, 2006 at 10:22 am
IANAL, but it may be illegal for them to charge you to move your license to another computer. Software licenses are typically “for use on a single computer”. Regardless of whether changing the motherboard creates a “new personal computer”, you still have a license for use on a single computer.
Also, it is clearly arguable in any court that upgrading a motherboard, while creating a “new personal computer” (under Microsoft’s definition, which I disagree with), also destroys the old computer. Finally it is easily arguable that although ‘Microsoft needed to have one base component “left standingâ€? that would still define that original PC.’ in reality this doesn’t actually define the original PC whatsoever and Microsoft can’t simply assert that it does because the license system they’ve built needs this in order to function properly. People upgrade their motherboards and CPUs all the time. I’ve done it several times - to create a “new personal computer” I also have to attach the old motherboard to RAM, a video card, a hard drive, a chassis, a PSU, a keyboard, a mouse, and a monitor. I also have to install Windows on that new hard drive before Microsoft have any legal claim to a license for the new machine.
February 16th, 2006 at 10:32 am
Hey I think of this as a windfall for the school systems. Adding $200 to the upgrade cost might make most people just pruchase a new computer and they can give to old one to schools.. Or maybe we’ll just fill our landfills faster with old pc’s. Bout the best spin I can put on it. Now off to the doctors to get my arm fixed.. I seemed to have fallen out my chair after reading this..
Wedge
February 16th, 2006 at 10:38 am
1. Replace motherboard.
2. Install XP with a legal OEM Product ID.
3. Activate.
4. If it fails, call the toll-free number and provide the activation code.
5. Answer all the questions they ask, like:
5A. “Why are you reinstalling?” - Old installation, wanted to clean up, bad hard drive, etc. Probably not good to mention the MB, just to avoid confusion.
5B. “How many CPUs is this copy installed on?” Duh! Don’t say “Many” or “I don’t know”, say “One” thankyouverymuch!
6. They should give you a new activation code. It’s not really a big deal. I have done this more than once. It has never been a problem and usually takes less than 10 minutes.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:14 pm
read the eula moron! OEM software has always been that way!!! thats why you spend a few more bucks and get the retail version.
February 16th, 2006 at 12:41 pm
Not all OEM pc’s are your typical “compaq” or “dell”.
Where I work, we make part of our profit (which is little as far as building a computer) off of the OEM licensed software. We also don’t bog the system down with preloaded crap, only enough software so we don’t get the call “my dvd won’t play” or “it want’s me to download this adobe thingy”…
Yes it’s been illegal to transfer your OEM license to a new computer, but this is saying “new motherboard” in your computer…is that different?
but yeah, you call the phone number, make the Rep happy and you have an install. Now if Microsoft starts enforcing this…that’s another story….
“Along with the $300 we are charging to upgrade your hardware to new specs, we also need to charge you another $200 for a new license of Windows XP, cuz your old license is invalid now.”
“um….how about I just buy a $299 Dell then”
“:-/”
February 16th, 2006 at 12:51 pm
On one hand Microsoft complains about the amount of piracy that they encounter with their operating systems and on the other hand, they put out this utterly vile crap. Looks like every time I change a motherboard out on my system, it’ll be because of a defevtive motherboard. I think Redmond it getting quite a big head lately. One day it’s going to implode in on itself by going too far. I hope I’m around to see it .
Screw you Microsoft!!!!!!!!!
February 16th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
Does this include NFR copies like the one I got at an AMD show last year??????
February 16th, 2006 at 1:20 pm
Just think when all the OEM vendors have to replace a motherboard under warranty. They will probably have to replace the chasi with the pid on it also to comply with MS. Makes no sense because you never enter a pid on an oem machine, the key is built into the oem disk & is pre-activated by the bios of the oem machine.
February 16th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
This is all irrelevant…it is presently possible to back up your activation file and replace it at boot in DOS..or even change keys and applicable system activation files as well as Genuine advantage which is now cracked…so all there greedy schemes are pointless until they come up with a more secure OS.
February 16th, 2006 at 1:47 pm
You have to look at this from a neutral standpoint, i was enraged when i saw this. but some simple thinking calmed me down. Yes, people with money can say “well just buy retail and its yours for good”. well thats all good and simple, but the reason people buy oem is because of there reliability and price. I dont believe bill gates is even ceo of microsoft anymore. so most likly this isnt his decision, if it is, ohwell hes old and dieing.
February 16th, 2006 at 2:28 pm
That way piracy grow ! Idiots
February 16th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
asfgwegw
February 16th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
Cause if I do I will give half a billion so Linux can bring tech to the world for all to use thru open source………..think bill think…….
February 16th, 2006 at 8:22 pm
Linux, linux, blah, blah, All OS’s suck for one reason or another, if you like linux thats fine, but Im so sick of hearing about how “we all should switch to linux”, and it kinda makes sense that oem windows should only be intended for the original machine it came on. Microsoft is a money grubbing devil corporation though
February 16th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
Im not sure why everyone is so shovked and surprised. The OEM Licence of microsoft windows has always been licenced to 1 machine, Its just the legal definition of a PC System has now been grounded. It not new or differant this is the way it’s been since XP came along.
So Go Buy a Mac… Or Install linux.. whatever, personally , from a proffesional standpopint I ring the Microsoft dudes and tell them I’m locked out of my pc and unless they give me a new key I’m about to call a lawer and have a bill for my time sent to their supervisor. Dosn’t always work but ussually in 15 - 20 minutes one of microsofts helpfull Tech Support staff is willing to give me a new validation for my system.
By the way, as a Linux and Windows user I need to say one thing. Windows sucks, but linux blows
February 16th, 2006 at 10:28 pm
What the fuck. If you don’t run Linux then you’re a faggot. Period. Only closet faggots run Windows, and the biggest faggots use fruity Mac OS X. If I go to someone’s house the first thing I do is check their computer, and if I find they are running Windows or Mac OS X then I take a piss right on their keyboards. Then I piss on the monitor so when they turn it on, it explodes. That’s how you deal with non-Linux using faggots. Linux is for real men.
February 16th, 2006 at 11:34 pm
WTF!!! lightning hit my neighbour’s property last year chain link fence’
went through the power lines,, fried out the motherboard’s of 2of my pc’s.
This storm knocked out the whole suburb..
Went to my local repair place, to by some replacements boards and there were some people in the store with the same story.
I bet this is happening right now somewhere in the world as you are reading this…
What did I read many years ago about Billy Gates money if you were to divide his fortune by the world population it would be equall to everybody paying him 14$ or something like that to him.
Lets face it he won the monopoly game.
Lets play a new game or something else LOL..
-tman
February 16th, 2006 at 11:48 pm
can’t wait for E17 Enlightenment! Still have my fingers crossed for the OS thats as stable as linux as pretty as OSX and has the software support of windows.
February 17th, 2006 at 3:19 am
Yawn. Always been the case for OEM licences. That’s why they’re abotu 1/6th the price of a retail license.
Get a life people. Old, old, old news, just like all the other ‘relevations’ in this thread like; Linux is better (well, duh!), Microsoft is a virtual monopoly (well, blow me down, another big business), Microsoft want to make as much money as they can (oh my GOD, Noooooo … a business wanting to make money ? WTF?), etc, etc, etc.
February 17th, 2006 at 3:27 am
…. well this certainly explains a lot. I own an HP PC I bought a few years ago ’cause it was cheap. So I tossed some upgrades in, etc. No problems. Then, about a month ago, I decided to upgrade the BIOS..
Windows suddenly decided I no longer had a valid CD key.
….. because the BIOS was upgraded. The motherboard didn’t change.. but I had to buy a brand new copy of Windows..
Screw you Microsoft. With their logic, if you change the engine of your car, it’s no longer the same car.
February 17th, 2006 at 9:10 am
“for reasons other than defect” - easy enough to create a defect!! - orange juice or screwdriver to motherboard time! This is nothing new just MS are starting to get stricter on enforcement. Personally I use linux as it works better than Windoze for the work that I do.
February 17th, 2006 at 10:04 am
from the article:
Microsoft sent a memo to its OEM partners asking them to enforce this new policy, every time they upgrade a computer for a client.
I think that many of the comments here fail to consider the above.
Perhaps there are some OEM partners that are:
a) offering customers “trade-up” or “upgrade” programs to newer computers at discounted rates
b) avoiding Microsoft licensing fees while “upgrading” client computers
c) transferring licenses to upgraded systems, circumventing Microsoft’s licensing agreement
d) operating in a manner that could be construed as unfair competition by other OEM partners
e) all of the above
My bet - one or several OEM partners requested that Microsoft clarify fair use of OEM licenses as a result of other OEM partner(s) business practices. While many of you view this as an attack against your rights as an individual consumer, I doubt that Microsoft is targeting end consumers with said statement.
Software piracy in certain areas of the world is undoubtedly out of control. Hard copies of counterfit Microsoft products reach the end consumer. Invalid licenses of Microsoft products reach the end consumer. What would you be more pissed at?
a) Microsoft publishing clarifying statements regarding the use of OEM licenses and distributing the statements to their OEM partners
b) walking into a computer shop and buying a new computer and later finding out your copy of windows was invalid and that you have no recourse.
Personally, I dont care if you use Windows, Linux, or a block of stone and a chisel as your operating system. I doubt that Microsoft is suddenly going to concern themselves about [], who represents a fraction of a fraction of a percent of Microsoft’s customer base, plugging in a new motherboard in their PC. I doubt the local police will arrive at []’s house after [] upgrades their motherboard. You can still activate Windows after a motherboard upgrade, although if you frequently clean install, you may be “troubled” by having to telephone Microsoft. Whoopie….
Heck, If I could buy a Dell 400 today and use it for 2 years, then mail it back to Dell and get back a Dell 700 for a modest and nominal charge with a clean software install and some components updated…..
The idea of the reduced price OEM license is to lower the overall cost of the system to place it in reach of the average end consumer. All of you reading this post are already “above” the average end consumer, albeit many of your comments do not reflect so.
February 17th, 2006 at 10:17 am
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh…………….. I m allergic to Bullsh*t!!!!!!!!!!!
February 17th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
one more reason why i’m happy with “my” prof corporate…
runs very smooth since three years…
February 18th, 2006 at 12:02 am
God save Linux! Micro$oft, go to the hell!
UMBUTU, KURUMIM, SLACKWARE, DEBIAN, all the REAL O.S. it´s better than your system!
KURUMIN (portuguese) >>> http://www.guiadohardware.net/guias/03/
SLACKWARE >>> http://www.slackware.org/
FOR US THAT WE LOVE THE FREEDOM!
February 18th, 2006 at 3:24 am
Time to see another OS. Time to see Linux.
February 18th, 2006 at 5:14 pm
They just adopted this policy from eMachine. A friend of mine recently ordered a new motherboard to replace a defective one. Different brand (who knows what eMachine used - the new one is IBM), but same chipset. However, eMachine installations of XP won’t activate against a new motherboard unless it was bought from eMachine. Instead of buying an overpriced eMachine motherboard, or buying a copy of Windows, he let me upgrade his computer to Ubuntu. He has never been happier.
February 18th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
“# Big Jigga Says:
February 16th, 2006 at 10:28 pm
What the fuck. If you don’t run Linux then you’re a faggot. Period. Only closet faggots run Windows, and the biggest faggots use fruity Mac OS X. If I go to someone’s house the first thing I do is check their computer, and if I find they are running Windows or Mac OS X then I take a piss right on their keyboards. Then I piss on the monitor so when they turn it on, it explodes. That’s how you deal with non-Linux using faggots. Linux is for real men.”
OK please come to my house. I’m sure you won’t leave walking.
February 18th, 2006 at 9:14 pm
Yet another ploy by Micro$oft to squeeze yet more undeserved dollars out of people
Perhaps if their buggy software wasn’t so grossly overpriced then people might actually consider purchasing a legit copy from time to time
February 18th, 2006 at 9:40 pm
GO WITH LINUX
February 18th, 2006 at 9:44 pm
I AGREE
February 18th, 2006 at 11:36 pm
Screw it that’s the last straw…I’m buyig a Mac and i’ll learn to like it.
February 18th, 2006 at 11:39 pm
I guess this is some of Vista/Longhorn leagl crap we are about to see as with every new MS-OS that came along in the past. I can’t understand why pepole that aren’t gamers use windows ? look, its very simple:
Linux:
pros: Free, Fast, Reliable.
cons: Time-consuming (so indirectly not free), requires a lot of
knowledge and experience, not good for word prossesing and
spreadsheets - untill office 2007 reach every house and
office in mid 2007, Open-Office will remain not fast
enough for large file prossesing (Office 2k7 will use Zipped
XML based files just like OO so their preformance issues will
be identical and will be resolved by the improvmants in
computing power). not many games.
Macintosh:
pros: Low-Cost, Fast, Easy, Reliable, Usable.
cons: not fully compatible with PC hardware,Not many games.
Windows:
pros: wide-spread,usable,compatible, almost all games are made
for windows and non of the good ones are exclusively
linux/mac.
cons: cost, preformance, some issuas of reliability (-worst problems
with linux but linux users mostly know how to handle
themselfs much better then windows users so you just don’t
hear complaints, MAC has almost no problems, target for
viruses and hackers - windows is a big target and as such is
is targeted by every 14 year-old wanabe, althou linux is much
more easly hacked being open-code (if everybody knows the
cookie is in the jar, do you really think the owner of the jar will
move them before someone will steal one ???).
In the end all of this dosen’t matter ‘couse pepole use what their used to from their office - ms-windows; gamers will play on the
system that delivers most games - windows- to prove this look at the pepole who use macs and you notice most are graphic desingers
and alike; linux users are IT pros or “home programmers” and
such enthusiasts that find in linux the same appeal a child finds in
lego - it’s challenging and fun to mess around the os for some just
like its fun for others to mess around the car engine.
February 19th, 2006 at 9:46 am
i have an original cd of xp pro oem (pre sp1). when i do a reinstal i use the product key that came with it. but the cd that i install from came with my hp laptop because it included sp1. i’ve used that cd to slip stream in sp2 and then went from there. my desk top has been thru numerous motherboard, hard drives and video cards. it’s always changing. recently i changed motherboard and 2 hard drives (raid 0). installed xp and activated it over the internet (3 times, 1 hard drive was bad) after replacing the bad hd and reinstalling. it activated just fine over the internet. (4th time) i do remember having to call them once or twice. i tell them motherboard upgrade, the old one died and there’s no problems other that reading and entering a long string of characters….
the old motherboard ends up someplace else along with the old hardware.
February 19th, 2006 at 2:27 pm
Doesnt make sense to me. The OS goes on your hard drive, and finds new hardware when you install a new Mobo. The only time you would need to reinstall and worry about being prevented from activating because you have new hardware is if you swap or reformat drives and have to do so.
February 19th, 2006 at 6:43 pm
Who pays for MS software in the first place?
February 19th, 2006 at 7:12 pm
Had to call MS a couple times now when i replaced motherboard and I always tell them the previous board went bad no matter why I am having to reactivate and have had no problems with MS what so ever.You can make this as hard or as easy as you want
February 19th, 2006 at 8:32 pm
More stupidity i never ever see
February 19th, 2006 at 9:52 pm
This is the most tard filled thread I’ve ever seen. It’s OLD NEWS! lolz…
February 19th, 2006 at 10:57 pm
wat tok cock is this??? bullsh**ting la microsoft
February 19th, 2006 at 11:39 pm
Yes, use linux….. no software, no games, no compatibility, limited hardware support. but oh yeah no spyware.. wow! now you can’t run photoshop and all the killer games, but at least while youré staring at your blank linux screen doing absolutely nothing, you won’t get any spyware wow :-/
February 20th, 2006 at 12:53 am
Hmm I think see a pattern First Vista is going to have stronger DRM at Kernel level. Then Vista requires HDCP Connections through to display to View HDVD in HD. Next Halo2 for the PC will only work on Vista because of blah blah blah requirements even though Halo2 for Xbox works on a sub 1gig cpu and windowsxp under directx 8 etc.. Now all OEM motherboard upgrades will require a new License (and yes the new license for a mobo upgrade is new though the major hardware upgrade requirement has been their all along but in the past MS has stated that a Major upgrade entailed a mobo, cpu and HD upgrade or some other major upgrade changing segnificantly parts of the machine within a specified period of time to cause the reactivation of the OS) the very year vista is supposed to finnally ship.
Sounds to me like MS is trying to hedge their bets by forcing people to rebuy the license with a motherboard upgrade which will surely generate quite a few new license purchases but once Vista comes out what happens? Will MS and OEM’s still offer new XP licenses or say well were not offering XP anymore but you can upgrade to Vista for X$ more, how many would refuse seeing as they have really no choice? It would give MS a faster and guarented source of Vista upgrades.
Downside it would require MS to drop OEM and retail licenses for XP at Vista launch time or shortly afterwards OEM is not really a problem as they move to the new OS as it ships to them but retail is something MS generally doesn’t end support for a while after the release of the new OS so this would be something new and something that if MS does would prove that this is what they intended all along to force an OS upgrade onto OEM owners who make up a good chunk of PC machines in the public today.
A thought that came to mind while i was reading the posts but it does make sense when you think about it.
February 20th, 2006 at 2:49 am
another reason to pirate the damn crappy ass software to begin with…
February 20th, 2006 at 7:54 am
Thats the first ever news Ive heard from Microsoft thats made me want to change to something like Linux, I upgrade my motherboard about once every 2 years but keep everything else along the way and now I have to buy Windows again even tho my perfect copy is on my shelf??????
They are going to create pirates out of normal users.
February 20th, 2006 at 10:07 am
time to consider OPEN SYSTEM, LINUX, UNIX, MAC OSX etc.
MICROSOFT same as DEAD OS
February 20th, 2006 at 11:15 am
Don’t you think Microsoft’s looking tired?
February 20th, 2006 at 12:14 pm
These is about the Windows XP OEM and not for the XP Retail versions
How many guys have bought a Computer with a XP OEM OS installed ??
Not me
Maybe someone must change the Headline of the article to something more appropriate
New Mobo = New Windows XP OEM license (if you have)
February 20th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
Not many of us but still lots of folks buy OEM copies for their systems.
February 20th, 2006 at 1:32 pm
This is the very reason Vista will become Big in the Piracy world…
February 20th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Not to worry - All will be fine, there will be plenty of copies to go around. The harder they try the the easier for us pirates.
February 20th, 2006 at 8:42 pm
Mac OS X is not an “open” system. Plus, you have to buy Apple’s 200% overpriced hardware to get it, which makes it an even worse company than microsoft, but people fail to realize that since they’re too busy bopping to their gay iPods. You’re stupid if you buy Apple.
February 21st, 2006 at 4:33 am
Such license type is illegal in many countries.
I’ve paid for this OS and i will use it as long as i want.
Because i’m not buying right to use it on one machine, but right to use it for myself. No matter how many motherboards i will change.
February 21st, 2006 at 9:09 am
The is regarding “OEM” licenses only (manufacturer-installed/provided). If you buy the OS in the store this does not apply. This has been the case for a couple years at least. I believe this is more against companies that try to move licenses from one system to another or upgrade their servers. Microsoft does not care that much about home users. There are plenty of other reasons to hate M$.
February 21st, 2006 at 9:44 am
This is fuck. Die Windows die!! Linux Arise!!
February 21st, 2006 at 12:42 pm
Excuse me satan, I did not find that humorous in the least amount. If you could please refrain from using racist comments about blacks it would be much appreciated on behalf of the Jewish community. We are the people who started your revolution and hero, Dr. Martin Luther King. I’ll be heading to court now, I have a whole list of people I need to sue. DON’T EVER FORGET THE HOLOCAUST!
What is this crap about?
Holocaust is history…grow up and move on.
The bad guys paid…end of it.
Stop the crying.
February 21st, 2006 at 5:18 pm
all you complainers are dumb. listen this article doesnt matter unless you